jimmyjoejangles  12-24-2016
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Happy Holidays one and all! Edited 12-24-2016 18:19
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David "PiperFan" Johnson 12-24-2016
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jimmyjoejangles 12-12-2016
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> When I hear Koko I think of the gorilla with the cat. Jon has this one right. Oh
I agree I'm just saying that Koko means different things to people
hyphenated or not. Its funny that Koko knows sign language(she is still
alive!)and could communicate with humans, like Ko-Ko, but Koko didn't
rise to fame till well after Piper's unnecessary demise. Edited 12-12-2016 00:13
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David "PiperFan" Johnson 12-11-2016
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James "jimmyjoejangles" Romanski wrote:
> But they have PAula put the Geek speaker in her mouth and say it.
> WHich made me think it was a Terran phrase that the Ullerans had
> picked up.
It seems some of the Terrans use the term ironically, as when Von Schlichten fights those Ullerans with a handy "riot-mace":
http://www.zarthani.net/Images/uller_uprising-orban_pX4.jpg
(BTW,
it may be that "suddabit" is Ulleran pidgin for "sonofabitch." At one
point, Kragans fighting alongside the Terrans cry, "Znidd geek!"
"Znidd" is the verb--"kill"--and "suddabit" is the object.)
> When I hear Koko I think of the gorilla with the cat.
Jon
has this one right. It's spelled "Ko-Ko" consistently throughout the
Fuzzy novels--though why anyone in the Sixth Century, Atomic Era, still
knows about ~The Mikado~ is beyond me. . . .
(On the other hand,
~The Mikado~, set in a "fanstastical" Japan, is meant to be a critique
of then-contemporary British society. Perhaps Beam was telling us a bit
about what he was up to himself.)
Yeek!
David
--
"You
know what Lingua Terra is? An indiscriminate mixture of English,
Spanish, Portuguese and Afrikaans, mostly English. And you know what
English is? The result of the efforts of Norman men-at-arms to make
dates with Saxon barmaids." - Victor Grego (H. Beam Piper), ~Fuzzy
Sapiens~
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David "PiperFan" Johnson 12-11-2016
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Jon Crocker wrote:
> That's quite funny how the human ancestry bits got dropped. I
> guess when it first came out, it was still too soon.
I
think you're correct. It's unfortunate though because this is a key
way in which Beam is drawing attention to the enormous devastation which
occurs in the Terro-human Future History. To Terro-humans living after
the Third and Fourth World Wars and the complete devastation of human
civilization in the Northern Hemisphere, the political circumstances of
victor and vanquished in the Second World War will of necessity seem
quaint and irrelevant. It's like, say, contemporary people getting
upset because of whichever side someone's ancestor might have been on in
the War of the Austrian Succession. . . .
This is even more
important as the Future History moves forward. Part of why the life of
the Space Vikings doesn't seem to be as ruthless and bloodthirsty to
Lucas Trask as it might seem to Beam's readers is because Trask is
living in the aftermath of the destruction of Terro-human civilization
in the Interstellar Wars. What's a few "planet busters" here and there
when whole planets, with billions of people, were devastated long before
you were born?
Beam understood this. You can see him
illustrating these sorts of different-from-his-readers cultural
perspectives throughout the Future History. It's no small part of what
makes his work such great science-fiction (even when it's dated by
little, then-contemporary references to cultural markers like ~The
Mikado~).
Remember Ashmodai! Remember Belphegor!
David
--
"You
either went on to the inevitable catastrophe, or you realized, in time,
that nuclear armament and nationalism cannot exist together on the same
planet, and it is easier to banish a habit of thought than a piece of
knowledge." - H. Beam Piper, ~Uller Uprising~
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jimmyjoejangles 12-11-2016
20:45 UT
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But they have Paula put the Geek speaker in her mouth and say it.
Which made me think it was a Terran phrase that the Ullerans had picked
up. When I hear Koko I think of the gorilla with the cat. Edited 12-11-2016 21:43
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Jon Crocker 12-11-2016
20:35 UT
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I've got the Ace '83 edition, in that one it's explained in chapter
4 on page 46. Znidd suddabit = kill (the) terrans. It's described as
Rakkeed the Prophet's whole gospel. I think the name Koko was
from Gilbert and Sullivan's the Mikado. I had to look it up, but the
name of the Lord High Executioner is Ko-Ko. So the fuzzy must have
really had a stylized technique on those land prawns. That's quite funny how the human ancestry bits got dropped. I guess when it first came out, it was still too soon. Edited 12-11-2016 20:36
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jimmyjoejangles 12-11-2016
20:04 UT
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Znidd Suddabit!
so what does that mean? "Stupid Son of a Bitch" is
what I always figured. but you never know it could be some old dead
saying we don't use anymore. LIke how in Little Fuzzy he names that
one Koko, and someone asks him why and he says look at how he does
whatever. I didn't get the reference. There is a few more little
things but I can't remember right now.
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David "PiperFan" Johnson 12-11-2016
17:27 UT
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Paula Quinton's Vichy Great-Grandmother?
One of the great
things about finding many of the old PIPER-L archives at the Wayback
Machine is being reminded about the insights of old Piper fans.
Recently, I stumbled across this 1997 message from Will Linden:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080310035359...-l&T=0&F=&S=&P=2190
One
of the things to remember about that time was that it was before most
of Beam's work ended up freely-available in electronic form at places
like Project Gutenberg. If you wanted to know the difference between
the version of _Uller Uprising_ which first appeared in ~The Petrified
Planet~ (which seems to be the version used for the 1983 Ace reprint)
and the version which appeared the next year in ~Space Science Fiction_
as "Ullr Uprising," you had to have physical copies of both of those
nearly-half-century-old works in your hands--and you had to sort out the
differences simply by comparing them page to page.
As it turns
out, "Ullr Uprising" is about 20% shorter than _Uller Uprising_. The
cut passage which Will mentioned back in 1997 not only drops Quinton's
Freyan great-grandmother but also the material about Von Schlichten's
Nazi ancestors and Quinton's French "collaborationist" ancestors who
fled to South American after the Second World War. My guess is the
editor at _Space Science Fiction_ was more troubled by Quinton's--and
Von Schlichten's--_human_ ancestors than her Freyan one.
Znidd Suddabit!
David
--
"Considering
the one author about whom I am uniquely qualified to speak, I question
if any reader of H. Beam Piper will long labor under the
misunderstanding that he is a pious Christian, a left-wing liberal, a
Gandhian pacifist, or a teetotaler." - H. Beam Piper, "Double: Bill
Symposium" interview
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