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Lawrence Feldman
04-30-2012
18:53 UT
I have redone and expanded my Head of Susana to more than 200 pages. It is now ready for submission, somewhere, if I can get around to looking for a publisher. Currently I am working on a non fiction "Escape" book (on the escape of Jews from unoccupied France through Spain to Portugal and thence the United States between 1940 and 1942) that is taking most of my time. That second book is 326 pages and currently is being checked for footnotes etc. Any one who has any thoughts on the Head of Susana send me an e-mail at Lawrenc846@gmail.com
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
04-29-2012
15:25 UT
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Modernized "Omnilingual"

I've run across a "modernized" version of "Omnilingual" created by John Cowan. His edits "are intended to modernize the work, to help the [contemporary] reader not stumble over the details." I've posted a link on the Fan Fiction page at Zarthani.net:

http://www.zarthani.net/h_beam_piper_development.htm

Enjoy,

David
--
"In truth, you don't need any kind of license or permission to do fan fiction, as long as you are not selling it." -- Ginjer Buchanan, Ace Books
~
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David Johnson
04-29-2012
00:41 UT
~

John,

> It seems that Ace Books started reprinting Piper's books (and
> not just the ones they'd printed originally) in the early 70s,
> almost 3 years before they "purchased" the Piper Estate! Ace
> republished Little Fuzzy, Fuzzy Sapiens, and The Fuzzy Papers
> in 1976 and 1977.

Ace apparently did not show a printing date for ~Little Fuzzy~ until the _seventh_ printing in Jun 1983 even though the first printing was out in time for Fred to review it in the February 1976 issue of Richard Delap's ~F&SF Review~
On the other hand, the date of Ace's first printing of ~Fuzzy Sapiens~ _was_ identified as June 1976.
Perhaps they were being cautious with ~Little Fuzzy~ but were a bit more comfortable identifying ~Fuzzy Sapiens~ because they'd abandoned ~The Other Human Race~ title of the original Avon edition. (The first Ace paperback edition of ~The Fuzzy Papers~ was printed--with identification--in September 1980.)
> I know for a fact that Ace didn't purchase the Piper Estate
> until 1979,

Ace didn't identify the printing date of ~Space Viking~ until the fourth printing in December 1980 but the first printing was reviewed in the January 1977 issue of ~Locus~! Ace didn't identify the printing date of ~Lord Kalvan~ until the third printing in June 1981 but the first printing was reviewed in the July 1977 issue of ~Locus~.
Still, there are so many other errors and missing information for so many of the Ace editions--for example, your ~Empire~ anthology had at least five printings while apparently using only two ISBNs--that I suspect these are simple errors of omission rather than commission.
Be well,

David
--
"We talk glibly about ten to the hundredth power, but emotionally we still count, 'One, Two, Three, Many.'" - Otto Harkaman (H. Beam Piper), _Space_Viking_
~
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Otherwhen@aol.com
04-28-2012
00:30 UT
Hi David:
 
The situation with the Ace Piper reprints is more 'interesting' than you know. When Fred Patton was updating his Fuzzy Story (see
_www.h-beampiper.com_ (http://www.h-beampiper.com) for the current version) for my Piper site, I was fascinated by some of his copyright data.
 
It seems that Ace Books started reprinting Piper's books (and not just the ones they'd printed originally) in the early 70s, almost 3 years before they "purchased" the Piper Estate! Ace republished Little Fuzzy, Fuzzy Sapiens, and The Fuzzy Papers in 1976 and 1977.
 
Hmm?
 
I know for a fact that Ace didn't purchase the Piper Estate until 1979, since I have a letter from James Patrick Baen regarding Full-Cycle and When in the Course..." dated March 19, 1979. These were the two "unpublished" stories they'd received from the heir, Charles Pipe. Jim fired them off to Jerry right after he received them for his perusal.

I suspect the Fuzzy reprints were done in the Aaaron Wyn tradition of -- if the author's dead, print it until someone complains -- like they did with the "Lord of the Ring Series." After Don Wollheim and Terry Carr left Ace Books, 1971 and 1972 respectively, there was an editorial vacuum at Ace. Pat LoBrutto was the only Ace editor I could locate who was there during the critical period of 1974 to 1977. I wonder if Pat could shed some light on this....?

All the best,
 
John




Help with Ace Reprints

Piper Fans:

I've added a page at Zarthani.net which attempts to identify all of the printings of the Ace reissues of Beam's work in the late
'70s and '80s:

http://www.zarthani.net/ace_reprints.htm

As you can see there were a lot of printings of each of the Ace
reissues but Ace didn't always do a good job of identifying
them. Sometime the printing wasn't identified. Sometimes the
ISBN was invalid or the same one was used on more than one
printing. Sometimes the book had a printer's key number line
but often it did not. What bibliographic information was
included was inconsistent from printing to printing and from one book edition to another.

I've been able to get my hands on a fair number of the Ace
printings--identified on the Web page as being part of the
"Zarthani.net" hoard--but I would appreciate your help in
gathering details about those printings not in the "hoard." If
you're so inclined--and can find them--I would appreciate it if
you would look at your own Ace reissues and let me know any
bibliographic information which is not shown on the "reprints"
Web page. Please send any comments to me by e-mail at "piperfan (at) zarthani (dot) net" rather than posting them here on the
discussion forum. (Not everyone subscribed here will be
interested to know the publication date of the sixth printing of ~Fuzzy Sapiens~! or if the third printing of ~Paratime~ had a
printer's key number line~)

Thanks in advance for your help.

Down Styphon!

David
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
04-27-2012
23:20 UT
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Help with Ace Reprints

Piper Fans:

I've added a page at Zarthani.net which attempts to identify all of the printings of the Ace reissues of Beam's work in the late '70s and '80s:

http://www.zarthani.net/ace_reprints.htm

As you can see there were a lot of printings of each of the Ace reissues but Ace didn't always do a good job of identifying them. Sometime the printing wasn't identified. Sometimes the ISBN was invalid or the same one was used on more than one printing. Sometimes the book had a printer's key number line but often it did not. What bibliographic information was included was inconsistent from printing to printing and from one book edition to another.

I've been able to get my hands on a fair number of the Ace printings--identified on the Web page as being part of the "Zarthani.net" hoard--but I would appreciate your help in gathering details about those printings not in the "hoard." If you're so inclined--and can find them--I would appreciate it if you would look at your own Ace reissues and let me know any bibliographic information which is not shown on the "reprints" Web page. Please send any comments to me by e-mail at "piperfan (at) zarthani (dot) net" rather than posting them here on the discussion forum. (Not everyone subscribed here will be interested to know the publication date of the sixth printing of ~Fuzzy Sapiens~! or if the third printing of ~Paratime~ had a printer's key number line~)

Thanks in advance for your help.

Down Styphon!

David

--
"Mobs don't like to advance into certain death, and they don't like to advance over the bodies and wreckage of their own forward elements. Neither do soldiers, but soldiers will do it." - Walt Boyd (H. Beam Piper), ~Four-Day Planet~
~
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David "PiperFan" JohnsonPerson was signed in when posted
04-13-2012
05:15 UT
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Maj. Gen. Fox Conner: The Cosmic Computer?

I've always wondered if Conn Maxwell's first name was a shortened form of "Conner" (or "Connor"). And I've also often wondered if Beam had some sort of historical personage in mind when he named Foxx Travis because "Foxx" seemed such an atypical given name.

Then I ran across a reference to General Fox Conner, chief of operations for the American Expeditionary Forces (AEF) in World War I:

http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc/foxconner.htm

Surely, Beam knew of Gen. Conner. The general's protege, Dwight Eisenhower, called him the "Brain" of the AEF. (In "Graveyard of Dreams," the early version of ~The Cosmic Computer~, the mythical supercomputer is called "the Brain" rather than Merlin.)

I suppose we'll never know for certain, but if I had to guess I'd say Conn, at least, is short for "Conner."

Remember Ashmodai! Remember Belphegor!

David
--
"You know, it's never a mistake to take a second look at anything that everybody believes." - Rodney Maxwell (H. Beam Piper), "Graveyard of Dreams"
~
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Dietmar Wehr
04-02-2012
20:13 UT
Something like that, ya.
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Jackson Russell
04-02-2012
18:11 UT
Conflict of artistic expression?

Jack

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Dietmar Wehr
04-02-2012
17:53 UT
I want to let all Piper fans know that John Carr and I are no longer working on an expanded version of my short sequel to Cosmic Computer, entitled Tides of Chaos. My original version is still available on lulu.com. I'm going to work on a Tides of Chaos Part II and when that's done, both parts will be available on Amazon's kindle site.
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