Will Linden <-- redeacted --> writes:

> On Sun, 1 Jun 1997, David Johnson wrote:
>
> > been destroyed in the Thirty Days War.  If so, why are there all
> > these Northerners on Mars in "Omnilingual?"  (Hubert Penrose, the
> > expedition leader, is a Thirty Days War veteran even!)  Is it possible
> > there was a subsequent war that devastated the Northern Hemisphere
> > that occurs sometime after "Omnilingual?"  (Maybe the war that led
> > to the independence of colonies on Mars and Venus?)
>
>   You have events confused. The U.S. won the Thirty Days War, thanks to
> the foreknowledge of the Hartleys and Operation Triple Cross, and went on
> to organize the first "Terran Federation".

I stand (sit?) corrected. :)

>   There was a subsequent war which devastated the Northern Hemisphere
> (ULLR UPRISING mentions a general who fled to South America with crucial
> nuclear data), and you may be correct in suggesting that it was linked
> with unrest on Mars and Venus.

Any other citations for this war?  It would seem to have been a more
significant future-historical event than the Thirty Days War, wouldn't it?

> This was followed by the rise of the "new
> civilization" in the south (note that the major universities in subsequent
> stories are Montevideo and Adelaide), and the formation of the "Second"
> Federation.

Yes.  The question would seem to be then, who was this war between?  In
"Edge of the Knife" Piper tells us (through Chalmers) that there was a
"unified world" in the period 2050-2070 AD (109-129 AE) with colonies on
the Moon and Mars.  This is a century after the Thirty Days War.  Carr
locates the demise of the First Federation and the formation of the Second
Federation in 2125 AD (183 AE), nine years after Venus secedes from the
First Federation.  Was this the war, an interplanetary one?  It must have
been pretty gruesome to wipe out civilization in the Northern Hemisphere--
and it must have set back the pace of interplanetary (and interstellar?)
expansion quite a bit.  What are the relevant citations for all of this?

Cheers,

David Johnson                        Net: -- redeacted --
Rockville, Maryland, North America   Web: http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~david
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